The map above shows the flag of the 2nd largest nationality, by country of birth, living in each European country. Thus, it may include citizens and those who have moved temporarily for work. Nevertheless, there are many surprises, such as:
- Ireland is no longer the largest source of foreign born residents to the UK. Since 2011, they’ve dropped to 4th, behind India, Poland and Pakistan.
- Neither the Cezch Republic nor Slovakia are each other’s second largest nationality, despite both being successor states to Czechoslovakia.
- Despite both being comprised primarily of ethnic Albanians, neither Kosovo nor Albania are each other’s second largest national group.
- Poles make up the 2nd largest group in Ireland, Iceland, Norway and Lithuania.
- Turks make up the 2nd largest group in not only Germany, but also the Netherlands, Denmark, Austria and Bulgaria.
- Although you can barely see it on the map Portugal born residents are the 2nd largest group in Luxembourg, while Brazilians make up the 2nd largest group in Portugal.
- The impact of the former USSR can still be fairly clearly seen, given that Russians make up the 2nd largest group in Estonia, Latvia, Belarus and Ukraine. However, in Russia itself Ukrainians are the 2nd largest group.
- Similarly Serbs make the 2nd largest group in 4 of the 7 successor states to Yugoslavia (Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Montenegro) yet Hungarians are the 2nd largest group in Serbia.
- Finally, the 2nd largest group in Spain, Italy and Hungary are Romanians not Chadians.
Controversially, the map author decided to include Kurdistan as a separate nation. And states that: “I did have a dilemma with Turkey because although Kurdistan isn’t a country, Kurds (who don’t consider themselves to be Turkish) are by far the 2nd most popular, and it would be misleading to suggest otherwise.”
Finally, because I know somebody is going to mention it, the United kingdom is treated as single country in the map above in keeping with the Countries in the International Organization for Standardization. None of the the 4 constituent countries of the UK is a Sovereign state and thus is not be listed separately.
For more you should also have a look at the Most Popular Migrant Destinations By Country map.
Notice any other interesting, surprising or mistaken things in the map above? Let us know in the comment section below:
Bull Winkle says
So, everyone is going to be hairy and brown soon
THS says
This is incorrect on Finland. The Swedish speaking Finns, who constitute 5% of Finnish population, aren’t Swedes. They are Finns who have Swedish as their mother tongue and are a distinct subset of Finnish people, as Finland is a bilingual country. It’s misleading to label them Swedes.
The largest group of foreign born citizens in Finland are Estonian nationals.
HB says
The largest group of residents with foreign background are from Russia/Soviet union http://stat.fi/til/vaerak/2013/02/vaerak_2013_02_2014-12-10_kuv_002_en.html
Jari Huhtala says
I thought somalians were the second biggest
Michael Gentile says
Both Russians and Estonians have bigger communities in Finland, compared to the Somalis.
Jari Huhtala says
Praise jesus for that. Somalians make every place they move into a dump. Shit and piss in playgrounds and staircases. Live in Stockholm sweden , they be wilding out like animals. I dont have a issue with african people, but I see somalians more as arab than black. Filthy people those without manners.
Michael Gentile says
Wow, that sure was a racist outburst.
Benjen Coldhands Stark says
It’s called realism, buddy.
Michael Gentile says
It’s not called realism, it’s called dementia. Anyone writing “Somalians […] shit and piss in playgrounds” is simply a racist, and not a realist one either. Somalis don’t shit and piss in playgrounds. Nor does any other ethnic group do so. Instead, drunk people might, and Somalis are significantly less likely to be drunk.
Kumhan says
“Gentile”, lol. Sure thing effendi.
techani says
You wanted to state a racist comment, stats were not on your side, but you wrote it anyways, and you walked into details to specify your racism in order to gain as much support as possible. You might vent out in a jar as well.
Kumhan says
@techani And here folks you can see a SJW with no life experience in action.
mP says
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalis_in_Sweden
In 2005 in Gothenburg, 45% of adult Somalis had zero income from employment, compared to 27% of all born abroad and 10% those born in Sweden. 7 of 10 Somalis had an income less than 5000 SEK per month (1 euro ~ 10 SEK).[19]
Ilmari Määttänen says
this is also giving a number for kurds in Turkey. I am not sure who has lived longer in Turkey: kurds or turks? also Hungarians in Rumania have been there for a long time. hard to measure this if you do not look at the mother tongue.
Jean Muller says
Turkish people are a mix of different ethnicities and recent studies back up the theory that turkic people started moving into Anatolia more than 6000 years ago. Talking about who lived longer in Turkey, most Kurds came during the Shia-Sunni exchange during Ottoman times and they are originally from the mountainous region of Iran, and they are not Persian either, they used to be a separate group living in the mountains for perhaps thousands of years.
Kavo says
You are completely wrong. You have entirely wrong perception of history. You either have no education, or no idea about people, languages, or anything else. Before you open up your mouth and write stupid ideas, you need to think twice. Your ideas stem from the theory that developed by the Turkish faciost that relate every good thing to the Turkic people. You are wrong as they are “wronger.”
AR-MEN says
You better go learn some history Anatolia for thousands of years were called Armenian Highland , homeland of Armenians and
only 1923 the Western Armenia Turks renamed Anatolia
Volkan says
This is not about the living period but about the population. Also i would prefer to see the second major passport instead of race.
Rita Farkas says
I’d rather say -simply because Transsylvania belonged to Hungary in most of the known history or was independent with Hungarian-originated rulers- that even though Transsylvania belongs for a while now to Romania, it’s still very Hungarian. Same valid for Serbia and Slovakia
ilea vazan says
you mean Transylvania belongs to the hungarian jews
Zortaan says
Transylvania is Hungarian. There are Romanian Gypsies and Germans there.
Jana Kujovska says
😀 😀 😀
Zortaan says
Slovaks = Moravians + Czechs +
Ruthenians + Poles melted in the Hungarian Highland. All “Slovak” speak Hungarian.
Spartan Beast says
Somalis aren’t Arab.
Paul says
What is the 2nd largest group in Kaliningrad oblast?
UndyingTruth says
There are considerable issues with this if one refers to: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/b/be/Main_countries_of_citizenship_and_birth_of_the_foreign_foreign-born_population%2C_1_January_2013_%281%29_%28in_absolute_numbers_and_as_a_percentage_of_the_total_foreign_foreign-born_population%29_YB14_II.png
This would change things such as: Spain = Morocco, Austria = Germany, Bulgaria = Russia (by some distance), Romania = Moldova (the huge population of ethnic Hungarians there were not necessarily born there), Switzerland = Germany, Slovakia should indeed be Czech Rep. (also by a huge margin), Denmark = Germany, and Ireland = UK.
It is a hugely interesting map and guaranteed to start all kinds of debates which is great for map lovers but it would be far more preferable if the sources were “open source” ($127 is a bit prohibitive for some simple fact-checking). As such I can’t see how the above EC statistics (2013) could be so very wrong and in fact would question whether “European Immigration: a Sourcebook” first printed in 2007, with a 2nd edition 2014, was comprehensively updated or whether the map-builder used a broad comparison of sources.
wordord says
Here’s correct data for Finland: http://www.tilastokeskus.fi/til/vaerak/2013/02/vaerak_2013_02_2014-12-10_tie_001_en.html
I agree with THS, you have confused the Swedish-speaking minority with immigrants. After all, they’ve only lived in Finland for 900 years, so that’s an easy mistake to make… (note: sarcasm).
Falvay Dóra says
Who said “immigrants”? There is written: nationality.
a finn says
Swedish-speakers in Finland have Finnish nationality, therefore they should not count into this statistic. It should be Estonia or Russia.
A Finn says
The nationality of the Swedish-speaking minority in Finland is still Finnish. The second largest nationality is something different, and I suspect it is same as in the immigrant list.
Benjamin Pyke says
“The map above shows the flag of the 2nd largest nationality, by country of birth”
“by country of birth”
“BIRTH”
Saim Dušan Inayatullah says
But then Hungarian-speaking people in Serbia are almost all Serbian-born, Polish-speaking people in Lithuania were born in Lithuania, Kurds in Turkey were in what is now Turkey since before the arrival of the Turks themselves…
Marek says
This is simply propaganda and far from truth. As someone explained before you: “Turkish people are a mix of different ethnicities and recent studies back up the theory that turkic people started moving into Anatolia more than 6000 years ago. Talking about who lived longer in Turkey, most Kurds came during the Shia-Sunni exchange during Ottoman times and they are originally from the mountainous region of Iran, and they are not Persian either, they used to be a separate group living in the mountains for perhaps thousands of years.”
Saim Dušan Inayatullah says
Either way Kurds are a native minority in Turkey, not comparable to immigrant groups.
kkarletto says
The statistics is based on ppl borned abroad and there are plenty of Finns borned in Sweden. That may be the reason of this weird result for Finland
Suzi says
Why is diversity is a codeword for White genocide?
No anti-Whites say a 100% Black area needs more diversity.
No anti-Whites say a 100% Asian area needs more diversity.
No anti-Whites say a 100% Muslim area needs more diversity.
No anti-Whites say a 100% Indian area needs more diversity.
When it comes to “diversity”, anti-Whites make two distinctions: 1.
Anyone non-White is “diverse”, and 2. anyone White is not “diverse”.
“Diverse” simply means a place without any White people in it.
So every time they talk about a “lack of diversity”, they have said what their object is: a place that becomes less and less White – which is genocide.
That’s why ‘diversity’ is a codeword for White genocide.
pelirrojo says
I think you mean that “white genocide” is code for “I am a very stupid and ignorant person”.
OldBoris says
There’s nothing ignorant about saying that there are many fifth-columnists in our nations who dream of the last white person waking up to a world of brown people. If I had a penny for every time I heard some left-wing idiot speak of a time when everyone in Europe is some shade of brown and has mainly Arab and African facial features, I’d certainly have 50p.
pelirrojo says
“There’s nothing ignorant about saying that there are many fifth-columnists in our nations who dream of the last white person waking up to a world of brown people”.
Sorry, but the very idea is predicated on ignorance and stupidity.
“If I had a penny for every time I heard some left-wing idiot speak of a time when everyone in Europe is some shade of brown and has mainly Arab and African facial features, I’d certainly have 50p”.
So because, seemingly, you associate with other ignorant and stupid people who hold opposing views to yours, you feel that this validates your otherwise ignorant and stupid view?
/O43 |_|K19!! says
Wow, nearly everyone is stupid and ignorant in your view.
pelirrojo says
Not at all. To come to that conclusion you’d have to be ignorant and stupid.
Dan Ivn says
are you able to produce anything coherent please, instead of repeating ‘ignorant and stupid’ ?
pelirrojo says
“are [sic] you able to produce anything coherent please, instead of repeating ‘ignorant and stupid’?”
Sure. The idea that such a thing as “white genocide” exists is based on ignorance and stupidity; but to then imagine that this supposed genocide consists in people having the freedom to choose who to love and who to have children with, this takes the level of ignorance and stupidity required to entertain such notions to incredible new levels.
You’re welcome.
Jari Huhtala says
Says the person with a monkey as a avatar 😅
pelirrojo says
Better than having a “special needs” patient as an avatar, in my opinion.
/O43 |_|K19!! says
Is everyone you disagree with stupid and ignorant?
pelirrojo says
Not everyone. Mainly bigots who don’t understand the modern world.
mattrollon says
du bist nazi oder paranoïd
trinity says
You are clearly not aware of the meaning of genocide otherwise you wouldnt use it in this context
Jari Huhtala says
Wrong. If you look up genocide in geneva or fn convention. There are a couple of things that falls under the category of genocide. Left wing “specialist ” always thinking they know everything. Thats why rightwing politics are rising in europe. Viva la france and Marie le pen for saving whats left of France. I live in one of the worlds most fucked up countries where they flooding immigrants so much, that they create white flight. And cry afterwards and point fingers that everybody is racists. Fuck all ya’ll
/O43 |_|K19!! says
Continual accusations of racism by today’s leftie activists mirrors continual accusations of racial impurity by the hard-line politically motivated classes of the early 20th century.
pelirrojo says
So to summarise your post; “trinity” is correct; you are clearly not aware of the meaning of genocide.
/O43 |_|K19!! says
Usage seems correct to me.
pelirrojo says
“[The] usage [of genocide] seems correct to me”.
Of course it does. You are clearly a misguided fool.
No surprises there.
Roman says
“white genocide”. Reminds me of “national socialism”. What is it with you people and using left-wing words for your batshit ideology?
P.S. Apparently your DP expresses support for a German neo-Nazi. Wow, real classy.
trinity says
It said 2nd largest nationality, not why tjey are there historically.. they are partly immigrants like turks in Germany, and partly ethnic minorities whose been living there for long time like the swedish speaking finnish people or the ethnic Hungarians in Transylvania. There has been a lot of migration in Europe as well as changing of borders, which shows clearly on this map. By the way this is a good source for Eurovision song contest to compare who received the most votes from all these countries 🙂
Michael Gentile says
The Swedish speaking Finns don’t consider themselves to be a nationality.
cvryder2000 says
My biggest problem with this map is that I no longer recognize all these flags. They have changed so much in the last 20-25 years that it’s hard to keep track.
endless says
flag kurdistan- not real because not a country kurdistan!!
WellWellNudgeNudge says
The maker of the map must have confused sovereign nations and mother tongue. Kurdish is the second biggest language of Turkey, but Kurdistan is not (yet) a sovereign nation and it is unlikely that the Turko-Kurds would be citizens in a would-be independent country called Kurdistan, if one would be established in Northern Iraq.
J128 says
The largest amount of immigrants to Finland are coming from Estonia, not from Sweden. Swedish come to third place aften Russians.
Heren says
While you were being so sensitive for the Kurds in Turkey, I wonder why you ignore the Catalans in Spain, who don’t consider themselves Spanish? Are you really objective, or are you trying to give political messages?
Tanczos Csuda Mozsi says
Those “Romanians” in Hungary are not Romanians but Hungarians from
Transylvania (which fromerly belonged to Hungary). They are oppressed
minority in Romania who fled to Hungary to keep their cultur and
language.
So Dear Writer, I really appriciate your effort you put to
collect those information but you did half job. You should know that
citizenship is not equal with nationality, so those people who hold
Romanian ID are Hungarian in Hungary, consequently not Romanian are the
2nd largest nationality in Hungary but more Chinese.
In 2014 Hungarian in Transylvania, Romania, is the
largest indigenous community in Europe without autonomy. More than
1224937 Hungarian can’t use their native language only in a limited
extent in proportion to their number. They have no autonomous state
university with higher education in the Hungarian language, they are
politically exposed and central government disregard the historical
border of the areas with the majority Hungarian population.
Sekler-land is the largest region in Europe without autonomy.
The fact Romania has been a democratic states since 1989 and the member of EU since 2007 have not brought any major changes.
How this work in rest of Europe?
17.700.000
citizens belonging to various minority groups, enjoy some kind of
specific autonomy in Europe, e.g. South-Tirol (Italy), Gagauzia
(Moldavia), Aland (Finnland), Baskland and Katalónia (Spain), farther example is Quebec in Canada.
Why is so hard for Romania to give autonomy its minorities as member of EU?
romanianblood says
The word minority has it´´s meaning…they must adapt..if they can´´t..they should come back to thei coutry..in this case..Hungary…Romania doesn´t have to give nothing to minorities..because that land was and is romanian. You can´´t compare Catalonia..with romanian minorities…IGNORANT…Learn History….andRESPECT TERITORIAL INTEGRITY.
Kutyasziv says
Collect some money, my friend and take a study tour around Europe. You will see then how civilised nations regard their minorities. It’s worth to try to think before you start shouting.
Carol says
Respect goes both ways, my friend. If you take
a tour around Europe, you will also see the minorities respecting the state
they live in.
Most of the people making comments think quite small, in 100-200
years there will be only few Romanians and Hungarians living in Transylvania
and this is something nobody seems to understand.
Kutyasziv says
How did you come to this conclusion, Carol? Can you share the knowledge so that we understand?
Carol says
Romanians and Hungarians have one or maximum
two children. Other minorities at least six. You do the math.
Tanczos Csuda Mozsi says
The fact Romania has been a democratic states since 1989 and the member of EU since 2007 have not brought any major changes.
In 2015 Hungarian in Transylvania, Romania, is the
largest indigenous community in Europe without autonomy. More than
1224937 Hungarian can’t use their native language only in a limited
extent in proportion to their number. They have no autonomous state
university with higher education in the Hungarian language, they are
politically exposed and central government disregard the historical
border of the areas with the majority Hungarian population.
Sekler-land is the largest region in Europe without autonomy.
romanianblood says
You should have know that your proposal doesnt respect TERITORIAL INTEGRITY…study history and law…includind international one..and you will find out AUTONOMY IS NOT THE way ROMANIA SHOULD PROOVE BY RESPECTING MINORITIES..YOU SHOULD HAD ALSO KNOW THAT CATALONIA HAS A DIFFERENT SITUATION THAN..YOURS.if you dont like ROMANIA..GO BACK TO HUNGARY..THEY ARE NEIGBOURS :d
Nesüketelj says
Back? Are you OK? We are there since more than 1000 years. The ones who came to Transylvania were the vlachs. Even the pope asked us to let them come so there are written evidences. As studying law I know it very well that autonomy was guaranteed by the Romanian state but as everything in Romania those are just words. Your state is based on chauvinism and lies about “roman” ancestors. You always act like who cares about minorities but you make fake history, you are trying to clear peoples memories, you are changing the cross on the top of 600 y. o. tipical Hungarian churches to say it’s a Romanian monument you are destroying Hungarian graves and even overwrite the names written 100 years ago. You are writing on 10 y.o. orthodox churches roof 1315. Just open your f.ing eyes if you don’t believe me and go to the Hungarian parts of Transylvania. You are going to see the changes. That country is like middle ages and state propaganda is very very strong.
Vlad Dracul says
Here are those people who practicized the most aggressive SACKING and DESPOLIATION in Europe’s history ever, I’m qouting Wikipedia again: “Von hier aus brachen die ungarischen Reiter immer wieder zu Plünderungszügen durch ganz Europa auf, die als Ungarneinfälle in die Geschichte eingingen. So überfielen sie unter anderem Gebiete in Bayern, Italien, Frankreich und Spanien”…and of course TRANSILVANIA! Now you want “back” something what NEVER belonged to you!!!. What an “european” attitude you have, ATTILA’s attitude, sorry about that, honestly.
Gipsy danger says
“Most aggressive SACKING and DESPOLIATION”
Do some research. Heard anything about Ottomans? Tatars? U know, reading wikipedia, and using that as reference, just makes you so fkin stupid…
Well, ure romanian, after all, so ure stupid anyways.
Ah, just one more thing.
Pls tell me something about the daco-roman theory 🙂
Adela Parvu says
So in your eyes the history written by any other country that’s not Hungary is fake ? Ignore Romanian History and look at the history written about Romania by other European countries, you will be amazed to see how little your know, and how much you hide behind your fingers saying that Romanian history is fake. I doubt all Europe would waste any time creating lies about a minority that’s just a statistic in everyone’s eyes.
gica contrescu says
You don’t belive we are daco-romans? :))) Watch that map. Why do you think romaniens go to Spain and Italy? Because they understand instantly the languege. It’s very similar. Why do you think is that? Because we have the same anchestors: the romans. QED
Madalin Tudor says
Please read my post above because your so far away!!!
Edvard says
The simplest answer would be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary#Ethnic_groups
You both are wrong.
Respect minorities. Bye.
syfromhungary says
these censuses are biased, there are a lot of people, especially the gypsies who don’t answer the nationality question, because it’s not mandatory or answer, but say “i’m Hungarian”, we have a lot more gypsies than just 130k, try at least five times more or soon to be 10 times more
Gitta says
Wikipedia.:) Cute. I think lexicons are better. Ruins do not lie, books did during communism, and here we are, cat and dogs. Sad.:(
justice says
You should learn that just because you keep typing with CAPS LOCK on, you’re not right at all, stupid romanian.
Based on your dumb thoughts, poor spanish/italian people could easily say: “If you romanians dont like to work, but to steal, beg and rob, go back to romaina”…
andrei says
Those “Romanians” are about 80% again gypsies. We can make also a parallel considering the facts: in Hungary a big percent of women(lets say between 18 and 60) were/are involved in porn industry…that means Hungary is a country of Bitches and Hoes and the capital is Buda-sex?
http://www.cafebabel.co.uk/politics/article/buda-sex-and-the-hungarian-porn-industry.html
Adela Parvu says
Those are your Hungarian Gipsies as much as ours.
Edvard says
That’s not the point. There are simply not that much Romanian.
Gypsies, Romani people are the second largest group.
Gitta says
True.
Vlad Dracul says
is this YOUR HOPE, to say that now in Transsylvania are more Gypsies than Romanians and therefore you have MORE RIGHTS over that region than other minorities like Gypsies(Romani) or Germans? Is this a strategy? No use! we know that you came to Europe as INVASORS, please get a look into Wikipedia:
“Hungarian invasions of Europe”: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe
Gitta says
On this level Romans “invaded” Europe too?:)) Or “they were here” already, and taking over a lot of territories did not count as an invasion? 🙂
Kutyasziv says
Aren’t Gypsies and Romanians the same?
WellWellNudgeNudge says
You might be confusing the terms Romani (Gypsies) and Romanian (please don’t mix Roman into this as well). Anyway, there is around 850 000 Romani people in Romania and they are of course Romanian citizens. Romani is a ethnicity which can be found all over Europe, but there is no sovereign state that claims to be the national home of Romanis. According to official numbers there are around 315 000 Romanis (probably more) in Hungary who are Hungarian citizens. Citizenship and ethnicity is not necessarily the same thing.
Kutyasziv says
Thank you for the detailed explanation, I know it is not politically correct but I couldn’t resist and meant to be sarcastic, Romanians and Hungarians understand that,
Tanczos Csuda Mozsi says
the article is about migrant not native, long time ago settled nations, so rad the article before you make yourself fool 🙂
Alexandru says
I’m pretty sure you were never in Romania, Transilvania neither. I am from Transilvania and that’s not at all how things are. Common people, most of them at least, live side by side as Hungarians and Romanians and have no problem with it. Few extremists on both sides constantly put all their effort into creating a stir and polarize public opinion on an otherwise sensitive matter for every other country in the world: territorial integrity. Minorities are positively discriminated by law and practice in Romania (except Roma, in practice, unfortunately) and Hungarians even more, given their high number and the concessions their biggest political party gained for them as a deciding factor in almost every political governmental algorithm since 1989 until now. Things such as education (all levels), media, cultural life and heritage – preservation and expression are superfluous. No one restricts them from anything. In fact some of Romania’s richest are Hungarian ethnics. They have all levels of education available in Hungarian, local and national media private institutions in their native tongue, allocated time on Romanian state owned television, freedom of celebrating whatever they hold in respect as part of their culture etc. Full administrative, territorial and financial autonomy is simply unacceptable. From a historical point of view, Transilvania was only for a limited amount of time part of Hungarian Kingdom. It was mainly autonomous with a a distinct identity. Even then, the Romanian ethnics were in majority in Transilvania. Ruling class was of Hungarian and German ethnicity, but the population was mainly Romanian. Cheers!
Lani says
At first time, not the hungarians form Romania is the minority, in Hungary. More romanian people was purchase a house near the state limit. He declared her nationality for the hungarian authorities. I subscribed for this opinion. I am a hungarian man, from Romania. In all the time, when I was living in Romania, I have not any conflict with any romanian person. The personal liberties, of hungarian peopel in Romania, the usage of language is garanted. But in Hungary, the personal liberties is several restricted. The Hungarian state have a wery dictatorial attitude. Tabac products can be sale just by the state, the hipermarkets is closed sunday ( not form christian consideration), the supermarkets who do not make profit, can not be sale basic alimentary products (milk, bread, rice, etc…)
Romania is more normal country like Hungary. Difference of mentality.
Gitta says
It is not guaranteed, when people get fined if they display their product name both in Hungarian and Romanian on the market by local police. I also find it strange they can display it in English, none would give a dime, but can’t do it Hungarian. Don’t even dare!!!! I don’t care who is what. I wish tolerance and peace.
Vlad Dracul says
It is NOT TRUE what you write here! Hungarian minority in Romania has its own party, UDMR, it has schools in the Hungarian Language and this population has much more rights, freedom and opportunities than Hungarians in Hungary! Give up this stupid propaganda. Historically seen, the Hungarians came a very short time ago to Europe but they were from the very beginning very aggressive, this is what the European history says.
Gitta says
Brrrrr. I step out of this conservation.
Gitta says
*conversation.
Zortaan says
The Transylvanian Hungarians can not even throw their own flags …..
The Romanians = Vlachs, Balkan shepherd people. In the 15th century they came to Transylvania into the Kingdom of Hungary. They were multiplied and were very cruel.
Zortaan says
You lie. Romanian securitate;)
Gitta says
I believe Romania is one of the few countries where in 21st century history is still taboo. “Transylvania was only for a limited….” checked that out!!!
Also “It was mainly autonomous…”-true but check it out who did what and why and when. Why will anyone be less if a nation gets its right to be independent? 🙂 Yes! cheers and get back what other nations did take away, like the so famed “Romanian” theatre in Cluj! It is Romanian because there took it away from Hungarians who built it, decorated it etc. Same true for Saxon heritage!!! Poor job on the maps above!!!
I agree and appreciate the first very few sentences you wrote. Please read after what you sad!
Romanians migrated into Transylvania and spread gradually sometimes in 1200s and their number become larger around the 1700s. It is the same like in in Italy and Spain now. You can guess the rest. Cheers!
Alexandru says
Gitta, history is not taboo in Romania and to make such statement is childish. Also, to believe that people get a fine for displaying product names both in Hungarian and Romanian is hilarious. Third, my previously mentioned facts are correct, check it out. Last, I do not care much for historical arguments all together to be quite honest. In these circumstances, anyway. Too much rubbish results in debates like these from people that are neither historians nor decent.
Klauss Werner says
Gitta, you only read the history from 11th century onward. By that time your people – the huns – came into Europe in search for a place to call home. But guess what? All the places were already taken by others. Transylvania included. So, they said… nevermind, we will continue to say that we were the first here so many times that even we will start to believe it 🙂 And this is still the case today when people like you, that believe that the history started around year 1000, are propagating this B.S. with Transylvania being your land. Your forefathers came here too late. But still, this doesn’t stop the local Hungarians cut our woods and exploit the natural resources with complete disregard of the law. You people better start appreciating what they have so far, because if you continue to act like that, chances are you will remain with even less…
Madalin Tudor says
Romanian migrated in Transilvania gradually!?
Please tell me that you are kidding!!!
Transilvanians are part of Trac Empire which spread all the way from Baltic sea throu curent Poland,ex East Germany,Panonia,Romania,the Balkans,Greece and Israel/Palestein.
Recent evidence suggest that the romanian lenguage is decent from the latin lenguage spoke around these parts and brought to Roman tribes from Greece and from north Italy,while hungarians come from north west of North Korrea and migrated to the plaines of modern China,Mongolia,Rusia and we’re the first wave of invaders from there,the huns!!!
Rita Farkas says
Oh yes, latin… and why do you need to review your language in every two months then? funny… and you are saying for yes “da” ,sounds rather russisch. romanians would like to create such a gloriuos history instead of accepting the fact that they are just lucky sheperds
Madalin Tudor says
Please tell me what do u smoke that ur so high!!!
Every 2 months,ur a dumbass!!!
If the romans didn’t came in Transilvania that why all the names of the big cities have an latin origin!?
HVN says
Transilvanian (Bánát, Partium) cities have originally hungarian names, because this cities builded up by hungarians in the Hungarian Kingdom, which have latin language (among nobles), like ALL OF THE countries in these times. The latin language spreaded by the christian religion later.
Madalin Tudor says
Romanian IS a latin language hungarian NOT!
That is the beauty of our language is it can adopt terms from different countries and rest assured that Transylvania WAS and ALWAYS BE part of Romania although some agitators in Hungary would like to be a different story!
Be glad that Transylvania is not part of Hungary cause you might be speaking romanian not hungarian since we are at least 6 million Romanians in Transylvania and Hungary has a population around 13 million including the Hungarians from Transylvania so if we the Romanians would make a party would be a majority one in your parliament so you got nothing with the claim over Transylvania!
Kumhan says
Sure thing buddy. Actually Hungarians were here with the dinosaurs. It’s funny what mental gymnastics you nationalists do to explain even the most simple of things, i.e., toponyms in the native language of the first ethnic group.
Zortaan says
?
In Transylvania all the city names are Hungarian.
You are teaching false propaganda.
Csíkszereda, Kolozsvár, Nagyvárad…..(Romanian? 😀 D)
Madalin Tudor says
Hey asshole before hungarian EACH city in Transilvania we’re in latin,not hungarian!!!
They only have names in hungarian because Transilvania was occupied by the huns(hungarians) who came from the region of todays north Koreea!!!
Guderian says
well, its very nice to be lucky!
my point of view, i hope you read this:
hungarians conquered this part of europe, including transilvania, but after ww1 you’ve lost it. i could say that romanians re-conquered their country, no? more than that, transilvanians, according to the principle of self-determination, have all the political rights to do what they want. and they want to be in romania!
cred ca esti ardeleanca, altfel n-ai fi spus chestia cu limba, ma intreb de unde ai scos-o… (i belive that you are from transylvania otherwise from where did you “find” that language issue)
adrian
Zortaan says
The Romans did not live in Transylvania. There were no Romanian people until the 19th century. The Romanians are Balkan Vlachs. Their land is Wallachia. Southeast of Hungarian Transylvania. The Rumanians are immigrants to the Kingdom of Hungary.
Zortaan says
Romanians (= Vlachs) did not live in Transylvania until the 15th century.
Transylvania in the Middle Ages: 85% Hungarian, 15% Saxon.
All cities are Hungarian in Transylvania.
All the castles are Hungarian in Transylvania.
All the temples are Hungarian in Transylvania.
Where were the Rumanians ????
Adela Parvu says
80% of “Hungarians” are Gypsies that live in villages near Transylvania, they are just statistics. You should maybe read some history and see how many tribes of Huns migrated towards Romania, which settled where and how many of the living Hungarians are actually blood related/tied to them, if any still around. After that, take a look at history and notice moments in which Hungary was not even shown on Europe’s map, maybe look at history and the leadership of Hungary or times it was conquered and by who. You are just one of the brainwashed stereotype that can’t use the brain to actually see the truth. Look at the history of Serbs, it will be a good start, continue with the other neighbors after, and ignore both Romanian and Hungarian history…see it from the eyes of countries that had nothing to gain by NOT telling the truth.
I’ve seen better arguments presented by oranges, written on them with a marker.
wickedest says
So you retarded Romanians think that Hungarians are Huns and that Romanians are Romans? Fucking retards.
Cronos says
Idiot, you are related the the huns. You came from Asia from the Ural Mountains.
” According to András Róna-Tas the locality in which the Hungarians, the Manicha-Er group, emerged was between the Volga river and the Ural Mountains.[ Between the 8th and 5th centuries BC, the Magyars embarked upon their independent existence and the early period of the proto-Hungarian language began.
The exonym “Hungarian” is thought to be derived from Ugor or the Bulgar-Turkic On-Ogur (meaning “ten” Ogurs),which was the name of the tribes who joined the Bulgar tribal confederacy that ruled the eastern parts of Hungary after the Avars. Although, written sources called Magyars “Hungarians” prior to the conquest of the Carpathian Basin (in 837 “Ungri” mentioned by Georgius Monachus, in 862 “Ungri” by Annales Bertiniani, in 881 “Ungari” by the Annales ex Annalibus Iuvavensibus) when they still lived on the steppes of Eastern Europe eastward from the Carpathians. The Hungarians probably belonged to the Onogur tribal alliance, and it is possible that they became its ethnic majority. In the Early Middle Ages the Hungarians had many different names, such as “Ungherese” (in Italian) or Ungar (in German) or Hungarus.The “H-” prefix is an addition in Medieval Latin.”
Romanians are not Romans, but descendents of the Dacians who where conquered by the Roman Empire and through a process of latinization (people from “ex totot urbe romanum” where broth in for colonization in the conquered areas of the former Dacian kingdom) became what you call nowadays Romanian (even this name-Romanian- back in the day meant, or was translated to, follower of Rome!)
You can very easily talk garbage…pick up some history books not bullshit propaganda that your schools are feeding you, dumbass, but real history from neutral scholars!
Adela Parvu says
Read Serb history :
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=559202787446815&set=a.412577145442714.102632.100000712972612&type=1
Tanczos Csuda Mozsi says
Romanian become mayor after millions of them were moved continously from old-Romania to Transylvania after 1919, this is fact, just like in Tibet many Chinese have been moving to change the ethnic proportion. But the worst Romania is more poor and corrupted than ever, dragging back to the bloddy 20th century, instead to try to recognize and live in peace and prosper with Hungarian minorities.
judit gherghiteanu says
i am living in Transilvania, and what Tanczos Csuda Mozsi did discribe is 100 % the truth, but many romanians are having a propaganda text about “pozitive discrimination” and for them this mean that we, hungarians are actually allowed to speak our language, when ever we are home, or we can vote for our party, and actually you believe that this is a positive discrimination. You are full of the official romanian version of the respect for minorities rights, and lies about transilvanian history which is accepted max at the level of theories, but you, romanians are trying to speak about your version as fact. Cheers.
Rita Farkas says
Yeah i have heard the same blablah from Romanians all around in the world, they are like robots, repeating the same words endlessly and meanwhile they do not give anything but shit for the Hungarians in fear of losing their richest part, Transsylvania again. Who builds churches and after 2 years celebrating their 50th anniversary?! Funny Romanians. Cheers? Hm, I’d say, “Enjoy as long as you can”
Kumhan says
“they are like robots, repeating the same words endlessly”
Funny, that’s exactly what Hungarians do, including the first comment in the thread. Who complains endlessly about things that got settled a long time ago? Losers.
mont says
the one who moved to Hungary have done so for economic reasons, not because of persecution
Zortaan says
“From a historical point of view, Transilvania was only
for a limited amount of time part of Hungarian Kingdom. It was mainly
autonomous with a a distinct identity. Even then, the Romanian ethnics were in
majority in Transilvania.”
:DDDD
Did you want this a joke?
Transylvania is the cultural cradle of Hungarians. From the 9th century.
The Romans started settling in the 15th century. Escape from the Turkish front.
Romania = Vlachs = Wallachia. On the Black Sea coast……..
andrei says
You’re just a low level Hungarian extremist. You don’t know nothing about the reality…not to mention your level of history knowledge.I am from Transylvania too. My wife’s mother is Hungarian and I have first degree cousins with are half Hungarians.They learn first to speak Hungarian and then Romanian. We never had and issue.I have a lot of Hungarian neighbors and we get along together just fine as multicultural community.Let me tell you about the Hungarian citizenship…they only took it for being able to travel to US and Canada and they don’t care about “big” Hungary. So you Hungarian extremist should mind your business and and stop barking like a dog at the wind. By the way, you have a University teaching in Chinese:))?
Gitta says
I am Hungarian and I think your answer is fair.:) I wish to have more of you.:) We don’t want big Hungary. Extremist want that. I rarely give comments, but I can’t stand this idiocracy.
Tanczos Csuda Mozsi says
you are a typical chauvinist Romanian, thinking the way you were thought to hate every minorities, but the probleme with this that this
behaviour belong to the 20th century and Balcan but not in Europe.
If you do not want to recognize Hungarians Romania never will be a civilized country.
Vlad Dracul says
Remember that Hungarians came not very long time ago from behind the Ural mountains therefore they speak a language which is not related to any other european language. They settled up in the Panonic Fields during the Middle Age (900 A.C). Also antropologically the Hungarians were very different from the European populations, let me quote here Wikipedia: “Anthropologically, the type of Magyars of the conquest phase shows similarity to that of the Andronovo people” and “The Turanid (South-Siberian) and the Uralid types from the Europo-Mongoloids were dominant among the conquering Hungarians” Transilvania is a region populated by a Romanian Population, speaking Romanian which is the actually the contemporary Latin language. Hungarians took Transilvania by force and robbery but they din’t have never ever the right to be there.
tomas d says
remember – hungarians came to europe from mongolia 🙂
i agree – they speak a language which is not related to any other european language.
Ruby says
That’s not true. Hungarian belongs to Fino-Ugric language family along with Finnish and Estonian which are both European languages.
WellWellNudgeNudge says
According to a current and wide-spread hypothesis Indo-European people came from north of the Caucasus at some point, from where they spread to both east and west.
Finno-Ugric people (Hungarians included) are not from present-day Mongolia, but part of their ancestors might have moved westward because of people from Mongolia. At least part of the people now known as Finno-ugric people are from the Siberian plains.
Anyway, it’s a far too easy explanation to say that “these people come from there”. There are no “pure people”. Everybody is a mix of something, from here and there. Thousands of years of history can not be summed up in “the Hungarians came from there” or other similar oversimplified explanations. The national-romanticism of the last 150 years have screwed up the reality of things.
Tamás says
Simple: Hungarians are not Huns, Romanians are not Tracs nor a Daco nation…Where’s your history from guys? Book of fairy tales??? Hungarians were of an alliance of Turkic and Ugrian tribes, even with some Bulgarians included. Romanians are mainly Vlachians mixed with Romanized but not Roman tribes from the peninsula. Who the hell cares about arrival there first? Now Romanians are in majority and that’s all. We just want autonomy there just like many other nations in Civilized Europe have like Basque, Catalans, Scottish, Welsh and many others. Not much more than we have there right now.
Vlad Dracul says
Romanians are not Invazors, they were allways in their territories, the are proto-eurpeans and they don’t try to steal territories from other countries. Many Hungarians dream of “BIG HUNGARIA” a fake state with land belonging other countries, they are very IRREDENTISTIC in their ideas and Hungary was very BRUTAL towards other folks in the history. they destroyed churches and villagies, inderdicted languages, etc, etc.. THIS SOULD NEVER REPEAT! NEVER AGAIN.
Tamás says
You are paranoid man…Romanians as proto-European as Hungarians are
Huns or Sumerians. You’re a moron…Romanians are from the Balkan, no
prob with that. Hungarians destroyed villages just like Romanians, yes
man, that’s history…can you read books? Not only written by Romanian
fascists… Most of the Hungarians have no irredentistic ideas. We used
to be in majority, now you are. And yes…Hungarians, Romanians,
Austrians, Mongols, Turkish…all destroyed villages, history was like
that. Your beloved Ceaucescu did the same…not too long ago, 2nd half
of 20th century. Is that ok and morally acceptable? This is recent
history, not centuries ago….so this should never happen again! If
Transsylvanian Hungarians are fine in the future, and have enough rights
and maybe autonomy which is not a big deal then no one will complain.
In the 21st century it’s just normal.
Tanczos Csuda Mozsi says
you are a typical chauvinist Romanian, thinking the way you were thought
to hate every minorities, but the probleme with this that this
behaviour belong to the 20th century and Balcan but not in Europe.
If you do not want to recognize Hungarians Romania never will be a civilized country.
Anyway nobody, even an Emperor, historical person, writer mentioned about Romanian before 1200 but Bulgarian, Slavs, Hungarians were. So, do not create a fake history that not recognized nowhere in the world, even in Europe.
By the way that is not important who arrived first but important how we can live together in peace and prosper.
Vlad Dracul says
What you write here is absolutely wrong. Genetical studies show that Romanians are PROTOEUROPEANS they were allways here, they invazors are the hungarians. In the past hungarians comitted very much attrocities against the autochtons in the occupied territories, also in Transilvania. Hungarians tried to destroy the cultural identity of the Romanian majority in Transilvania, the ethnical and cultural assimilation agains the Romanians and Germans too was very brutal. They used to destroy Romanian churches and they inderdicted the Romanian and the German language, everything in the of “Big”, “Grand” Hungary. Even after 1990 Hungarians tried to put in difficulty the romanian majority living in counties like Covasna and Hargita. Remember! Romania respects the rights of the minorities, you have an hungarian party in Romania, you have the right to use officially the Hungarian Language in many cities BUT YOU ARE ROMANIAN CITIZAN when you belong to the Romania’s hungarian minority and YOU HAVE RIGHTS but you have also DUTIES TOWARD YOUR COUNTRY, ROMANIA! Respect your country because your country respects you! Stop irredentistic propaganda against Romania stop your invectives here against me or against Romanians! Romania is a very civillized country, nowere has a minority the rights that it have in Romania. Party, language, schools in hungarian language! Respect this!
pap tamas says
Hungarian hater
Kutyasziv says
Well said, Morzsi.
king troll says
it’s stupid to think about borders since we are trying to eliminate borders and people are free to work and move freely in european space
Tanczos Csuda Mozsi says
The fact Romania has been a democratic states since 1989 and the member of EU since 2007 have not brought any major changes.
In 2015 Hungarian in Transylvania, Romania, is the
largest indigenous community in Europe without autonomy. More than
1224937 Hungarian can’t use their native language only in a limited
extent in proportion to their number. They have no autonomous state
university with higher education in the Hungarian language, they are
politically exposed and central government disregard the historical
border of the areas with the majority Hungarian population.
Sekler-land is the largest region in Europe without autonomy.
king troll says
1. These are lies and manipulations. Everybody visiting Romania will see the reality. For example, The Babeș-Bolyai University offers study programs in Romanian, Hungarian, German, English, and French). There are bilingual landmarks, people talk freely their native language.
2. Talking about official administration and places, Hungarian minority (even concentrated in few cities localized in the middle of the country) should use Romanian language and respect the national law and symbols because they are the minority in Romania . Everywhere in the civilized world is like that and you could find a lot of examples.
3. The honest simple Hungarian and Romanian people work together, have mixed families. You should read some impartial serious historical studies made in us or western European studies. The old communist books have a lot of nationalist ideas and propaganda and fake information.
4. Sincerely I think we should work and be united and have a common project, beneficial for Romania, Hungary and Europe. Separatist ideas are not good and again we have examples. If you remain curios about history and “who came first” childish ideas, read abut the genetic of population and origins. You might discover something interesting about it.
Regards,
MikiDos says
actually the 2nd largest ethnic group in Hungary are the Roma (Gypsies) but they don’t count as people, right?
Tanczos Csuda Mozsi says
You are a bit clueless, the article about migrants not about native minorities. Read the article again before you make yourself fool 🙂
Adela Parvu says
All Europe is trashing Romanians, but what they don’t know is that most
Romanian families got an average of 2 kids / family and are hard
working, educated and fair people, not always friendly but fair and hard
working. Studies show that Hungarians and Gypsies from Romania got an
average of 6 to 9 kids and got double citizenship. The villages you see
in movies such as Borat got the majority of population of Hungarians or
Romani (Rroms/Gypsies). They are isolated because they can’t adapt, they
steal, refuse eduction and despite the fact that they’re poor, they
still do their best to have a family of 6+ even if they got nothing to
eat.
I got lots of Hungarian friends, I’m not being racist nor creating a stereotype without knowing there were studies made.
Most
of the so called “Hungarians” from Transilvania are gypsies that went
through the process of Magyarization (Maghiarizare), and the majority
of them live in villages close to heart of the country but not only.
Studies showed that 9 of 10 gypsies villages are composed of people who
speak Hungarian, Romanian and Gypsy (rrom) languages and the majority
got double nationality, most of them being Hungarians and Rroms. That
alone explains the large number of “Hungarians” that live in Romania,
not including the fact that many people “cheat” the system by getting
Hungarian nationality to receive some bonus, benefits or pensions, in
that way, the Hungarians can claim the autonomy, people say it’s just a
conspiracy plan , since Hungarians themselves don’t recognize the
Hungarians from Romania as their own or equals. The Hungarians from
Transilvania blame the comunism for faking the history, and they believe
that they were first in Transilvania, even before Dinosaurs (That rises
a question regarding the disappearance of Dinos). But if you take a
look at the history of Serbia, Ukraine, Bulgarians, and the other
neighbors, things get a lot more clear. And don’t tell me their history
is fake as well.
If you are Romanian or Hungarian
living in other parts of the country, I urge you to make a trip in let’s
say Covasna, maybe fishing, camping, or whatever you like, and see if
you can survive in Gipsy villages without knowing Hungarian or romani
(rrom gypsy languange). Yet the number of Hungarians increases every
year in the eyes of Europe, but they are not recognized by Hungary
unless they’re some numbers in survey that shows how many Hungarians
live on Romanian soil. They are just statistics, and is sad that they
are encouraged to continue like this.
Tanczos Csuda Mozsi says
you are a typical chauvinist Romanian, thinking the way you were thought to hate every minorities, but the probleme with this that this behaviour belong to the 20th century and Balcan but not in Europe.
If you do not want to recognize Hungarians Romania never will be a civilized country. Those people who you are talking from old-Romania (Romania excluded Transylvania). The idea about assimilation is just bullshit and lack of logic, due to Transyalvania was conquested more then 80 years and lots of Romanian were moved to Transylvania to change the ethnic proportion just like it has happenning in Tibet.
king troll says
Tibet should be familiar to you. 😉
Kumhan says
And you are a typical chauvinist Hungarian spewing nonesense.
Catalin says
Please confirm this>>>
4 august 1919 Romanian army
defeated the Hungarian Army and occupied Budapest , ousting the communist regime of Béla Kun…thank you!!
Tanczos Csuda Mozsi says
so, what is the conlusion about this? That Romania raped and loot people during this intervention when Hungary was defeated and weak. That is make you pride Catalin?
mont says
the ones who moved to Hungary have done so for economic reasons, not because of persecution
Kumhan says
One word pal: Trianon.
Keep crying over spilled milk.
it doesnt matter says
To be more precise the people who characterize themselves as Turks in Bulgaria are actually born and bred in this country. Authors statement for largest source of foreign born residents is untrue. Bulgaria is poor country and there is no foreign born residents willing to settle (maybe for short time some asylum seekers on their way to West Europe)
Historian says
Since SFR Yugoslavia had 6 republics (Slovenia, Croatia, BiH, Montenegro, Serbia and Macedonia) it has 6 succesor states. By UN Kosovo is a part of Serbia and is considered as its province, it has declered unilateraly independece 9 years after mass exodus of ethnic Serbs and its independence is ONLY recognized by 1/3 of world countries.
Beni M says
Wrong. All wrong.
Reinhard says
He’s correct at all accounts.
roguedoge says
Albanian confirmed
uddatankar says
Hello!
Fact check: The second largest nationality in Finland is not Swedes. The correct answer is Estonians (44,774) followed by Russians (30,757). Swedes are number three with 8,382 nationals in Finland, just ahead of 4th place Somalis (7,465).
Finland is officially bilingual by law, why Swedish is the second largest language. Most Swedish-speaking Finns are Finnish nationals.
Ref: http://www.tilastokeskus.fi/tup/suoluk/suoluk_vaesto.html
//James
@jamesmashiri
MrD says
In Czech republic the second largest nationality should be Slovaks, not Ukrainians.
75016 says
“Finally, because I know somebody is going to mention it, the United kingdom is treated as single country in the map above in keeping with the Countries in the International Organization for Standardization. None of the the 4 constituent countries of the UK is a Sovereign state and thus is not be listed separately.” I suggest you check the list again, because there is no Kosovo. So keep it coherent – either delete Kosovo or delete the part about respecting the IOS list.
svetozarstankov says
Mind you, the turks in Bulgaria are turks who haven’t left the country, as opposed to the turks in the other four countries, who are turks who have entered the country. Same with Romanians and Hungary, it’s a little confusing to put these countries together like that.
zjx says
I very much doubt that the statistics used for any of the ex-Yugoslavian countries really represent “largest nationality, by country of birth”. It looks like the map’s author found census data on e.g. Serbs native to Croatia/Bosnia/Montenegro, and just assumed this meant they were people from Serbia.
That is not at all how ethnicity or census reports work in the Balkans.
miki says
i am the 7-th generation in croatia. I am not native?? bitch pliz
zjx says
Miki, that was the whole point of my comment: this map is taking census data about people like you, Serbs who ARE native to Croatia or another country, and then it’s misrepresenting them as natives of Serbia. Remember, it says “2nd largest nationality, by country of birth”, and your country of birth isn’t Serbia. The map is doing the same with Hungarians native to Serbia/Romania/Slovakia, same with Greeks native to Cyprus, same with Swedish-speakers native to Finland, and probably the same with Russians native to ex-Soviet states.
Regardless of your little misunderstanding, it would be nice if you apologized for calling me names in that comment.
Woror says
MAP IS WRONG. Turkey’s borders are shown wrongly in the map. The southeast of Turkey is trimmed.
Madalin says
You DID make a mistake in the case of Hungary. As you know, the second largest ethnic group in the country is the Gipsies (Romani people), which have their own flag: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people. I really don t know from where did you find the Romanians, which are the FIFTH etnic group !!! See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Hungary#2001-2011
andrei says
same for Romania, gypsies are the second largest ethnic group
Marika says
The map is not well done. There references are “largest nationality, by country of birth”. So, maybe in Hungary you can find the biggest minority of people born in Romania, but I dont think in Romania you can find the biggest majority of people born in Hungary, but from Moldova Republic.
CeJ says
“Neither the Cezch Republic nor Slovakia are each other’s second largest nationality”
I am not sure about the method used here, but I suppose that “Hungarian” as the second largest nationality in Romania, Serbia and Slovakia are not actually Hungarian migrants, but citizens who did not move anywhere: those who were born there while the territories were part of Hungary (mostly after the Second Vienna Award.)
Mrstats says
A very interesting map, but sadly almost entirely fictional. Over half of the countries have been labelled incorrectly. Nice try.
Beav1s says
You forgot to include Armenia and Azerbadjan. They are also part of Europe.
Shayak Mazumder says
Why exactly is this data surprising? Most of the nations show a very clear reliance on migrant workforce from nations they either colonized or dominated for centuries! They created the system deliberately, and, I would assume, are fully aware of the trends.
Zeeba Neighba says
Yeah, how about a key to identify what these flag fragments are? Those of us who don’t live in Europe rarely see a country’s flag and name tied together, and so many Euro flags are variations on common themes it makes it easy to confuse them. So unless you’ve made a deliberate study of it, this map is pretty much useless.
MisterDavid says
What about Vatican City? As the only sovereign state with a 100% immigrant population, I’d be interested to know where they come from. Italy?
Steve says
There is one drastic mistake in this map. Crimea is Russia, not Ukraine. 🙂
Валентин Соловьев says
Crimea is Ukraine, but was occupied by crazy Putin.
SiulSotnas says
Well just so you know, the biggest immigrant community in Portugal is not brazilian but its african. The largest immigrant community in Portugal, comes from portuguese speaking african countries.
Cubilone says
This map is controversial… How surprising.
espiral says
also incorrect in Belgium. 56% of immigrants are originally from a European country, against 44%from non EU countries
Sir Arthulf says
Germans (210,735) are the second largest nationality in Austria, not Turks (159,958). But it is understandable if the creator of this map is just some basement dweller from reddit without a degree of any sort.
Hebron_LA says
WTF!? IT LOOKS LIKE THE SERBS WERE DEFENDING THEMSELVES IN THE ’90 WARS!
i didn’t know that they are living in all those countries.
Ivan says
Serbs was the largest nation on Kosovo before the ’90 wars. After NATO intervention called “merciful angel” they are not even second largest!?
I couldn’t find Kosovo in member list of “Countries it the International Organization for Standardization” in provided wikipedia link. As many countries recognized Kosovo as independent country, it doesn’t make it independent.
Best Regards!
miki says
Ofcourse we are. Now we are the biggest nationality in bosnia, montenegro and serbia. Dispite the wishes of the west and catholics during the terror of the 90’s. Many croatians and muslims are actually serbs. But in the past they changed their faith and nationality because of the pressure of the vatican. And because turks were here 500 years and people convert to islam because they had to. Like ISIL doing right now. This picture would be very different iff hadnt been 1st and 2nd world war. just in 2nd ww croats and muslims killed and convert more than one milion of serbs. Thats vatican my friend. And western propaganda. Serbs are bad people, you didnt know that?! Zivio
Mustafa Kemal says
If we talk about Kurds as a nationality within Turkey,how about Catalans in Spain and Scots in Britain? Not trying to be a smart-arse, as I like the fact Kurds were included. It’s a serious question. Do Romanians outnumber Catalans in Spain?
Omer Sarnico says
>>Kurds (who don’t consider themselves to be Turkish) are by far the 2nd most popular, and it would be misleading to suggest otherwise.” // And what about Catalans & Basques (who don’t consider themselves to be Spanish) you asshole!
Peter says
I don t understand why Greek-Cypriots are considered to be born in Greece when they have been in Cyprus for thousands of years…
Κυπραίος/Kıbrıslı/Cypriot says
The article is not talking about each ethnicity in each country. Cypriots (either Greek or Turkish) are the number one nationality of the island. Then the second nationality (the ones not born in the island) are Greeks from Greece, hence the Greek flag.
Gábor Balázsik says
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/hu/timeline/b31efd24a163d88ecc32ffc92c3c90a8.png
Marika says
You are so wrong, because it’s not about the ethnic minority about in this map, it’s about “largest nationality, by country of birth”. Gypses dont have there own country and a flag.
Peter says
or is it that Greeks from Greece have settled in Cyprus?
zetta says
Turks in Denmark is also wrong if take Kurds in your map ones. They are Kurds in Denmark who has Turkish pas.
Paul says
This map is a bit difficult to make accurately and has not been done consistently. What “nationality” is, is very ambiguous for a start. Often the diaspora of one minority group is centuries old, sometimes even older than the now predominant nationality of a particular country. In some of these cases they have nevertheless been referred to as a minority in this map rather than the constituent part of the country. The Hungarians of Romanian Transylvania, the Swedish speakers of Finland for example. In others they have not. French speakers of Belgium and French speakers of Switzerland. In both those cases they are the second language group behind Flemish and German speakers respectively, yet, presumably they are considered a constituent part of each country and are thus not counted. Why is a French speaking Swiss considered not a minority but Swiss whilst a Swedish speaker in Finland is not Finnish? Also Bosnia is confusing. It is a country composed of 3 ethnic identities, Croat, Muslim and Serb, all with a common language. In the peace agreement it was agreed they would power share and have distinct cantons. It therefore seems odd to classify one of those groups as the minority, not least because those who identify as Serbs have inhabited that particular region for longest.
zjx says
I think it’s typical of the “infographic” wave: putting a lot of work into an engaging, colourful presentation, but not nearly so much work into gathering actual good data to present.
It must’ve seemed a cool idea until the author realized that census centers of different countries would have collected completely different and incomparable types of data (citizenship, birth country, citizenship at birth, ethnic identification, mother tongue), and then decided to treat them all as the same thing anyway.
Ergun Kirlikovali says
I think your sweeping generalization in the case of Kurds of Turkey is off base. “Kurds do not consider themselves Turkish” does not hold for all Kurds. Many Kurds do consider themselves Turkish, which is why 30+ year of PKK insurgency, causing deaths of 40+ thousand mostly noncombatant citizens and most of those ,Kurdish–failed to produce a civil war. That is why Kurdish ethnic parties continuously fail to garner more than 4-6 % of the votes in popular elections. You got to read more into Turkish social life than most Western literature suggests. Some will even say Kurdish case is one of the most successful assimilation cases in history. Assimilation, integration, or feeling Turkish, whatever the reason is, the fact remains, that most Kurds do feel at home in Turkey with Turks, despite any shortcomings, real or imagined, of its democracy. When you can buy a plane ticket to fly to a country called Kurdistan that is recognized by the U.N., this fact is better appreciated, rather than omitted.
James Triarhos says
Cyprus is, (and has been for over 3,000 years), predominately ethnically Greek. The largest ethnic minority is Turkish.
Κυπραίος/Kıbrıslı/Cypriot says
Let me disagree with that. The article is saying about the second larger nationality that was not born in the specific country.
So to be correct here, Cypriots (GreekCypriots AND Turkish Cypriots) are number one nationality in the island. Then according to statistics, the most people in the island that were NOT born in the island are Greeks (which is not at all surprising).
P.S. The island is not ethnically Greek and is not ethnically Turkish. We have our own independence, flag, constitution, population and under that flag we shall not forget that 30% of that population are TurkishCypriots. So saying that the island is predominately ethnically Greek is kind of inaccurate.
Akis K. says
I see where you’re coming from, but
(a) Cyprus is a fully independent country but ethnically there are only two groups (lea ing aside smaller groups): Greeks and Turks. Cypriot *ethnicity* does not exist. You are an ethnically greek citizen of the Republic of Cypriot. This is not me of course-this is what things happen to be.
(b). Cyprus has been part of the ‘Greek world’ ever since antiquity. And despite the fact that the place has been under the rule of several historical powers, the island has never ceased to be part of this Greek ‘world’. Now, back in 1974, the Turkish population was indeed a relatively big minority (something like 16%). So, once again, one can say that the island is inhabited by a predominantly Greek population. (This current 30%, we all know why it is…)
Hudy says
In Croatia, second largest nationality are not Serbs but Bosnians. So that is wrong.
Paata B-Breeze Dzidziguri says
2nd large group in Georgia are Armenians and Azerbaijanians…..
confucius says
If the author consider the Kurdistan as a nation, he had to take into consideration Tatarstan too.
Ludo says
Turkey is not an European country …
Max says
This is not accurate at all. In Austria for example the Germans are the second largest nationality – but sure, this map also delivers its “message”……#HiPegida
ste says
its just alla wrong!!!!!
Johny says
Kosovo is Serbia and that is not the successor of Yugoslavia and not internationally recognized states . And if you are already taking into account this false state then is the second largest national community – Serbian communities
zcarmona says
Bizarre.
Portugal is the only one who has a non-European and speaking the same native
language, 2nd largest group.
MikiDos says
The map is filled with mistakes. A few examples: 2nd largest group in Russia are Tatars, not Ukranians; 2nd largest group in Kosovo (if you consider it an independent state, which it still legaly isn’t, since it has no seat in the UN) are Serbs, not Bosnians; in Bosnia, Serbs are not the 2nd but the 1st largest ethnic group. in Spain Catalans greatly outnumber Romanians. and so on. all in all the countries for which this map provides wrong info, greatly outnumber those for which the info is correct.
Berlin Alexanderplatz says
Tatar is an ethnicity, bro. It’s not a nationality. Tatarstan is incorporated as a federal republic in the Russian federation.
g says
ha ha haaa
this is funny… who is this crazy people to do this. ha ha haaa
Jon says
Thumbs up for Kurdistan. Kurds are the largest ethnic minority
Just saying says
False about Finland.I have never met anyone from Sweden living in Finland(but I know there must be someone). We have a history with Sweden and because of that we have two languages here.They who speak Swedish as a mothertounge and live in swedish speaking areas are still Finns.
The swedish language spoken in Finland also sounds very different.
I live in Finland but went to school were the teaching language is swedish and my mothertounge is finnish.
But from Finland a many have moved to Sweden to work and that happened mostly at 1960’s and 1970’s.
In Finland the largest group maybe is from Estonia.
Just saying says
And if you look at the statistics about people born in another country so yesit is right that there are people born in Sweden but living in Finland.
In our family my sister is born in Sweden because we are one of those Finnish familys who have been living and working in Sweden but moved back.
Zein says
It’s crap! There is not and never will be a country with that flag and name as kurdistan or whatever u say. On the other hand, yes Turkey is a mixed ethnic rooted country and we all get together to be named as Turkish People
Zeynep Esercan says
Truth.
sillymap says
Silly map. The most crowded immigrant group in Turkey are Syrians, not Iraqi Kurds. Also, if you take autonomus regions like Kurdistan into consideration, you should use a Tatarstan flag on Russia. Tatar population is bigger than Ukrainians in Russia.
Za dom says
Bullshit Croatia is Serbia..it has been n never will
Dutchflavour says
Since 2015 the 2nd largest etnicity in the Netherlands is Moroccan not Turkish anymore.
human says
Bulgarian Turks are actually born in Bulgaria and they have been there for the past 500 years. Turkish Ethinicity – maybe, nationality – certainly not. Very badly thought out map.
xlarge74 says
the largest group in austria are the germans ^^
Matěj Vaněček says
Let me see your data for Czech Republic, you are inaccurate as hell. Largest minority by nationality in Czech Republic is Slovakian with 149 140 people with permanent residency and 106 400 workers without permanent residency (Total over 255K). There are just 117 810 people with permanent residency and 72 000 workers without permanent residency from Ukraine (Total over 189K).
MBC says
Interesting, but Turkia is not consider as an european country!
Jürgen Arnold says
What about Malta?
matthias says
What are the sources for this map?
tomas578 says
I just higly doubt there are more Ukrainians than Slovaks in the Czech Republic. Maybe officially, but come to big Czech cities and you’ll understand 🙂 Slovak students don’t need to register there officially, so maybe that’s the reason, but the reality is different.
fasfafffakk says
incorrect for austria too…
nelty says
I don’t get Kosovo. It’s really small, but it looks like there is the Kosovo flag there. This must be a mistake. Shouldn’t it be Serbia?
nelty says
Okay, it’s Bosnia. According to Wikipedia that’s still wrong, though.
Kelly says
And Malta is not listed here because..? It is also a european country and funnily enough it is almost always left out of statistics as if do not exist!
Seb says
I am surprised in Moldova Ukrainians came before Romanians.
XD says
For Austria the second largest nationality would be German! 😉
(http://www.statistik.at/web_de/statistiken/bevoelkerung/bevoelkerungsstruktur/bevoelkerung_nach_staatsangehoerigkeit_geburtsland/022498.html)
embici says
What flag is that in Kosovo? Looks like Venezuela!
Kenny says
Why Georgia is there but Azerbaijan is not? ballex
Aleksei says
Strange article. First of all, it contradicts itself: it states that neither Kosovo nor Albania are each other’s second nationality, yet Kosovo is clearly painted over with Albanian flag. (Which is kinda logical from the common sense perspective.) What gives?
The biggest problem though is that it is not clearly stated what is meant by the term “nationality”. Is it ethnicity? Place of birth (what’s that have to do with anything – if I’m an ethnic Pole born in Germany holding Polish citizenship, do I count as a German or what?) Citizenship? What about people holding double citizenship? The methodology is key for a study like this and it’s not disclosed. So while the question is indeed intellectually titillating, this particular article ends up just confusing.
Johnny says
There is definitely much more Slovak people in Czech republic, than Ukrainians. The reason, why is CZ marked in blue-yellow color is probably, that Slovakians living de-facto in Prague are still de-iure residents of Slovakia, therefore they does not appear in statistics. How it is from opposite site I cannot evaluate.
coco ebert says
I don’t have a problem with including the map of Kurdistan in Turkey, but there is a difference between Kurds with Turkish nationality and Kurds who have migrated from Iran, Iraq, and Syria to Turkey.
“I did have a dilemma with Turkey because although Kurdistan isn’t a country, Kurds (who don’t consider themselves to be Turkish) are by far the 2nd most popular, and it would be misleading to suggest otherwise.”
I wouldn’t say that Kurds don’t consider themselves to be Turkish. Most Kurds indeed identify with the ethnic identity of larger Kurdistan but plenty of them view themselves as Turkish citizens and part of the country of Turkey. That is too generalizing a statement imo.
Saim Dušan Inayatullah says
This maps conflates very different kinds of populations. It confuses “nationality” as a synonym of “ethnicity” with “nationality” as a synonym of “citizenship”.
For example, the Hungarian-born population of Serbia or Polish-born population of Lithuania are really minimal; these are historical populations that have lived in those areas for centuries and indeed are recognised by those states as linguistic minorities. In Serbia if we went by country of birth surely the Bosnian-born would be the largest migrated group – but these people are by and large ethnic Serbs!
Aurelie says
The data for Austria is wrong. Why is Turkey shown as 2nd largest group, when in fact it should be Germany?
As of 1.1.2014, there were 8.507.786 people total living in Austria, of which 1.414.624 were not born in Austria. Most of these, 210.735, were born in Germany. 2nd: 159.958 were born in Turkey. 3rd: 155.050 were born in Bosnia Herzegovina. Please check:
http://www.statistik.at/web_de/static/bevoelkerung_am_1.1.2014_nach_detailliertem_geburtsland_und_bundesland_023841.pdf
This makes me question the rest of the data on this map. Besides, I also find it dangerous to produce and spread such misinformation given the current political climate.
AnnaN says
Don’t think it is very accurate here, the ‘Russians’ in Latvia, for example, were all born there, but given alien status if their ancestors arrived to Latvia after 1940. People were allowed to pass a naturalization process, which many, after being born and raised there, found a tad humiliating , and still do not hold Latvian citizenship, some were older people who just did not bother with it. Majority of this people are ethically Russian, Ukrainian, Belarus or the mix of the above, are Russian speakers, as this was the ‘English’ of the USSR.
HB says
Interesting Map, but it seems to mix people with dual citizenship with immigrants… There are a lot of Turkish people in Bulgaria, who simply hold two passports, passed on to them from generation to generation. A legacy from the Ottoman Empire. There is nothing foreign about them – they are part of the Bulgarian society (whether some extreme people like it or not). So in that sense, you cannot put Germany (with a huge Turkish immigration population) and Bulgaria (with a significant dual-citizen population) under the same category.
Vikarl says
In Sweden the lagrets group are siria, Irak, Iran!
VN
vannigo says
What about Malta? Any idea of the 2nd largest population?
el marinero says
Actually in Hungary the snd largest group is Roma people not Romanians.
comradgram says
The German nationalism-nazism created several mutant’s nations in the Slavic states of Europe – 1) “Romanians” in the territory of Wallachia, Moldavia and Transylvania, 2) “Ukrainians” in the territory of Little Russia (Kievan Rus’). So, this so called “brilliant map” is the direct evidence that the ancient
tradition of the Nazi (сatholicism-сalvinism, colonialism, communism-“color revolutions”, fascism,
Nazism) and now continues to be the central idea of western Europe.
Without respect to the originator of this ” brilliant map”, comradgram
ps: The (west’s) wild hunt: (1872) by Peter Nicolai Arbo
Adam says
Germany is in Poland, haha (they tried several times – 1795, 1939…). Poles occupy Northern Europe…
svm says
Who could dare to divide my country with such stupid map may be terrorists?
Hannibal says
hope europe kills all muslims someday!
Kumhan says
The other way around actually if you look at statistics both in term of violence and in terms of birth-rates.
EBA says
This map must have been drawn by a middle school student who had an AHAA! moment!! In his admission, he has no clue what to do with the Kurds in Turkey, but chooses to include Northern Iraqis as a nation within there. But he has no idea that there are Turks who live in Cyprus!!
Gert Huth says
Incorrect on Austria as well. 2nd largest nationality group are Germans, followed by Turks and Serbians.
http://www.statistik.at/wcm/idc/idcplg?IdcService=GET_PDF_FILE&RevisionSelectionMethod=LatestReleased&dDocName=064287
Peter Silie says
The map is incorrect on Serbia. According to your text, Serbia should be colored with the Hungarian flag, instead it’s painted with its own flag. The country you painted with the Hungarian flag is Bulgaria.
newluck77 says
In Austria, the largest nationality by country of birth is German. Source: http://www.statistik.at/wcm/idc/idcplg?IdcService=GET_PDF_FILE&RevisionSelectionMethod=LatestReleased&dDocName=037044 (Check “Deutschland” (=Germany) and “Türkei” (=Turkey)).
Burstup says
The map is incorrect for Austria. Germans are the largest 2ns nationality in Austria, not Turkish people.
Wolfgang says
Austria is wrong. Germans are second largest population group, not Turks.
Nataliya says
The national flags of Ukraine and Russia have been mixed up.
Joseph Travaglia Frisk says
Bs!
AACYH says
Kosovo is NOT a country, it is not recognized by UN. Kosovo is a part of Serbia, like it was for the last 1.000 years. Kosovo is occupied by NATO forces and Albanian terrorists, but it’s part of Serbia.
martyp88 says
Numbers would be sort of interesting too. France, Germany and the UK probably have 3rd and 4th ranked nationalities that are probably way more numerous than the 1st place non-natives of other countries.
omer says
Its interesting how according to the author Welsh, Scots etc are ignored for UK as they are not recognized as separate entities by ISO (international standards org) but then goes and adds ‘Kurdistan’ for Turkey, another unrecognized entity.
Lets wake up guys n gals, this type of dual standards is not helping anyone. The author either has a point to make about race/religion or just reaaaly [ pick your choice word here ].
Ðίɱმ Ðʑ ☾☆ says
Why Algerians who are considered as the largest nationality living in whole Europe not mentioned? Not only are the Algerians living in France which is in fact considered as the first country of Europe that has the largest Muslim nationality living in (only Algerians make up 6 millions by now), but in addition we’d find more Algerians living in Portugal, Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Great Britain, Ukraine, Russia, Eastern Europe etc…) these following countries have the largest Algerian nationality living in. Correct your informations please.
Ðίɱმ Ðʑ ☾☆ says
Why Algerians who are considered as the largest nationality living in whole Europe are not mentioned? not only are the Algerians living in France which is in fact considered as the first country of Europe that has the largest Muslim nationality living in (only Algerians make up 6 millions by now), but in addition we’d find more Algerians living in Portugal, Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Great Britain, Ukraine, Russia, Eastern Europe etc…) these following countries have the largest Algerian nationality living in. Correct your informations please.
Daniela Waldek says
you are idiots!
Mutali says
I Love Romanian … Girls
Troll Legend says
Hungary surrounded by hungarians lol
Jan Pospíšil Poutník says
thanks a lot
Handala says
How many of the “Turks” in Germany, the Netherlands, Denmark, and Austria are Kurmanj and Zaza (Kurds)? Substracting the Kurds, maybe the Turks are not the second.
egbegb says
This map has no legend. Hence, it is incomprehensible by the general public. Iceland is a complete mystery.
Michal Kořenář says
I am affraid this is inccorect on the Czech republic. The largest minority in the Czech republic are Slovaks according to the results of the latest Census of the Czech republic, there are ca. 150.000 Slovaks living in Czechia, whereas “just” ca. 60.000 Ukrainians.
Inan Emuller says
Kurds are true citizens and have the same blood history with marriages for more than a Millenium.
The Kurdistan flag does not represent right over Turkey.
Probably Syrian refugees are the largest none Turkish residents in Turkey, therefore Syrian flag is the right one over Turkey.