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Controversial Cultural North-South Divide Map of England & Wales

March 3, 2023 13 Comments

Controversial Cultural North-South Divide Map of England & Wales

Map created by reddit user atrainmadbrit

The map above shows the “border” between North and South in England and Wales (Scotland is even further North) based on a 2007 study by the University of Sheffield.

For those who don’t live in the UK, the reason for the why the map is controversial can be best summed by this comment from reddit user Flewbs:

The North-South border is extremely well-defined, just ask any Northerner and he will gladly tell you that ‘the South’ is everywhere immediately south of where he happens to live.

The map was originally created for a an exhibition at The Lowry gallery in Salford called “Myth of the North.”

Danny Dorling who helped create the map added the following information to accompany the map:

The country is best typified as being divided regionally between the north and the south. Ideas of a midlands region add more confusion than light.

The line that separates the North from the South is fractal. The closer you look at it the more detail you see. It weaves between fields and houses. That such an exact line can be drawn is, of course, a fiction but it is also fair to say that moving from North to South is not that gradual an experience.

This is the line that separates upland from lowland Britain, the hills from the most fertile farmland, areas invaded by Vikings from those first colonised by Saxons. Numerous facts of life divide the North from the South – there is a missing year of life expectancy north of this line.

Children south of the line are much more likely to attend Russell group universities for those that do go to University (and they often go to the North to study!), a house price cliff now runs along much of the line, and, on the voting map, the line still often separates red from blue.

In terms of life chances the only line within another European country that is comparable to the North-South divide is that which used to separate East and West Germany. This is found not just in terms of relative differences in wealth either side of the line, but most importantly in terms of health where some of the extremes of Europe are now found within this one divided island of Britain.

Where is it?

By county the North lies above the old counties of Gloucestershire, Warwickshire, Leicestershire and Lincolnshire and ‘nips’ only into parts of some of those counties. Most of each of those counties, and all the areas of England below them, are in the South.

By constituency the North includes and lies above the new parliamentary constituencies of the Forest of Dean on the north bank of the Severn; includes West and Mid Worcestershire, Redditch, Bromsgrove (and hence all of Birmingham), Meriden, Coventry South and North East, Warwickshire North, Nuneaton, Bosworth, Loughborough, Rushcliffe, Newark, Bassetlaw, Brigg and Goole, Scunthorpe, Cleethorpes, ending at Great Grimsby and the south bank of the Humber.

This map shows the line created by using parliamentary constituency borders.

It would be possible to go further and split some of these constituencies in half. It would be possible to identify enclaves and exclaves along the border, but this would suggest too much of a rigid line, and the border does move, especially when a new motorway is built or train line to London improved.

Within the North are places that look and sometimes act (e.g. vote) like the south. Areas around the vale of York and Cheshire are contenders here – but they are still northern. Similarly there are parts of the south, especially within London that are very unlike much of the rest of the south, but they are still southern.

Scotland and Wales are part of the North, despite having managed to eschew the Victorian attempts to label them North and West Britain respectively.

To learn more about the North-South divide in the UK, the following books may be helpful:

  • Pies and Prejudice: In search of the North
  • North And South
  • Notes from a Small Island

What do you think about the map? Leave your comments below and share it with a friend who might diasgree:

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Comments

  1. ale bro says

    February 14, 2017 at 4:28 pm

    The north starts at the Watford Gap!

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  2. robertsonjames says

    February 14, 2017 at 5:54 pm

    Sorry but any definition of the North of England which even includes parts of Gloucestershire and the Severn estuary falls at the first hurdle of basic plausibility. If it’s simply about social exclusion and worse life-chances you might as well include Plymouth or the Medway towns, never mind significant parts of London.

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    • Dan says

      August 12, 2022 at 1:00 pm

      The line is OK but taking into account local culture and poverty statistics I would draw a line from Coventry to Bath and down to Dorchester, thus including the Bristol area and Devon and Cornwall, who generally do not like to be bracketed with “Southerners” My divide is more North and West/South and East.

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  3. Garmon Ceiro says

    October 10, 2017 at 6:57 pm

    Rubbish. Wales is a seperate country. It is most certainly NOT in the north of England.

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    • alic says

      May 10, 2019 at 11:31 am

      exactly! it’s a bit dumb

      Reply
  4. Elle says

    September 4, 2019 at 2:43 pm

    If we’re going to pretend the Midlands isn’t a separate entity then Lincolnshire should be considered the North.

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  5. Geoff Clarke says

    March 28, 2020 at 9:30 am

    Look at the geological map of the UK…notice similar trend?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_Great_Britain

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    • Robert Downey Senior says

      September 15, 2020 at 12:15 am

      This probably fits better…

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloegyr

      Reply
  6. Ste says

    August 4, 2020 at 2:22 pm

    Nottingham and Birmingham aren’t northern and Wales and Scotland are to their own, though I can related to them far more than most southerners.

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  7. Cornick says

    December 30, 2020 at 10:29 pm

    I rather like the line as drawn, but in the commentary I think it should be noted that the rugged, rocky physical geography of Devon and Cornwall – including the UK’s most southerly point The Lizard – is distinctly Northern.

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  8. Iain Cheyne says

    January 2, 2021 at 11:43 pm

    Similar line to the first frontier that the Romans set up after they invaded. The Fosse Way marks the boundary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fosse_Way

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  9. Raymond Hopkins says

    March 11, 2021 at 1:09 pm

    There are bound to be disagreements, but the line shown here is not such a bad fit , especially when compared to the old Danelaw areas. As aNortherner myself fro the Teesside region, I feel I have much more in common with Denmark than with London. Language, in the dialect form, for one.

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  10. Peter says

    October 31, 2021 at 10:02 pm

    I think it’s about time we dismiss this myth of a North/South divide. Just ask any Midlander how fed up they are with this rubish.

    Reply

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